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Dusty Ayers wrote:I think that's great news. I really like the first paragraph in the article. ROC is the toon and toys come to life. I don't think it is fair to expect Shakespeare and then be pissed when it isn't.
darth cujo wrote:Dusty Ayers wrote:I think that's great news. I really like the first paragraph in the article. ROC is the toon and toys come to life. I don't think it is fair to expect Shakespeare and then be pissed when it isn't.
But is it fair to expect The Dark Knight?


darth cujo wrote:I liked the Dark Knight a lot. But My main point is just that a lot of the positive reviews I've seen for G.I. Joe have come with the caveat "for what it is" or "for a popcorn movie". I just think it is unfortunate that this disclaimer has to be put in front of these positive reviews and that people use this to defend the G.I. Joe movie.
I make the Dark Knight comparison mainly because it is a "comic book" movie, much like G.I. Joe is a "toy movie", (ie. both popcorn movies) so they theoretically suffer from the same stigma. Yet the Dark Knight was a critical success and G.I. Joe was not. Personally I tend to agree with that overall sentiment, G.I. Joe was not that great a movie, while the Dark Knight is. To me they're both “popcorn movies”, but Dark Knight strove to be much more, while G.I. Joe, well, didn't. Just because it’s a popcorn movie, doesn’t mean it can’t be a good movie, Period!
I also think it's unfortunate that fans of the movie keep using those caveats to defend it. It's a weak defence. Nobody is expecting Shakespeare, but when someone says it was a good “popcorn movie”, well, that’s more of a backhanded compliment than a legitimate compliment. It’s placing a limit on G.I. Joe’s potential, saying it can only be so good because it’s not Shakespeare. I just used the example of the Dark Knight as a “popcorn movie” that succeeded on more than just a “popcorn movie” level.
Now if you disagree and think the G.I. Joe movie did succeed on some other level and was a good movie, Period. Well, we can agree to disagree.

darth cujo wrote:I haven't read many batman comics, so can't compare their histories directly. You may be right that Batman has more stories and depth to draw upon, but while Batman has been around a lot longer than G.I. Joe, it's not like G.I. Joe has a dearth of quality storylines and lack of depth. The comic dealt quite nicely with things like vietnam, ideas of honour and loyalty, and depth of character. Regarding depth of character, a good example is Storm Shadow. In the comic he is a conflicted character, not the one dimensional villain portrayed in the movie. Sure Joe has plenty of goofy moments, but I really do think it has a lot of quality to draw from. Just because it's a popcorn movie doesn't mean it has to be less.
Anyways, to get back more directly on topic, hopefully these writers do a great job and make the next movie into something really good. Aim high, I say!

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