The Annual "What Sucked About Joecon"

[kingofpain26]

ok.. heres the bad.. and honestly.. not too much at all that was wrong.

1) THE DEATH OF THE O-RING
yes true believers.. the beloved o ring is gone. the molds have been destroyed.
So the only way we will see the o -ring is if Hasbro chose to invest in re-engineering a mold. but all the other molds are gone...

yes, we have to deal with it.. its 25th construction from now on.


2) THOSE STUPID HOTEL KEYCARDS!!!!!!!!!!!

how many of us were stuck in the elevators, or spent grueling minutes outside their rooms, 'caues the keys didn't work!!!?

3) Con Dinner food

I understand that the club tried to kick it up a notch for the dinner, since there was no Casino night,....

but a large percentage of us Joefans are cheeseburger and fries kinda people.. this was a little too foo foo for us.

I mean my son didn't eat ANYTHING! and kept asking me what it was...

also,.. Formality at a Joecon? I understand you wanted business casual, but... really, we're supposed to bring a tie... along with our Terrordrome Sombreros?....LOL


4) That UPS guy

now a lot of seller were upping prices to get a little profit.. btu

THIS GUY!

was the worst price gouging thing Ive ever seen...

WAY overcharging people for both packing materials at Shipping costs.

I mean really, 60 bucks to make a "custom' box to ship a defiant????

I mean, are you gonna make a WOODEN box with the help of Bob Villa?

...and he claims it costs 200 bucks to ship a Defiant from R.I. to Florida...?
yet I got my Defiant from a seller in CANADA, and I paid 80 bucks for shipping..

[Ghost-Target]

2) THOSE STUPID HOTEL KEYCARDS!!!!!!!!!!!

how many of us were stuck in the elevators, or spent grueling minutes outside their rooms, 'caues the keys didn't work!!!?

I hated the fact that to go up, you had to use your room key, & the elevators automatically went down.

3) Con Dinner food

I understand that the club tried to kick it up a notch for the dinner, since there was no Casino night,....

but a large percentage of us Joefans are cheeseburger and fries kinda people.. this was a little too foo foo for us.

I mean my son didn't eat ANYTHING! and kept asking me what it was...

also,.. Formality at a Joecon? I understand you wanted business casual, but... really, we're supposed to bring a tie... along with our Terrordrome Sombreros?....LOL

I hated the food too (I had already had a steak before the Dinner), the salmon was fishy tasting & the chicken was tough. It just wasn't the Con Dinner that was formal, Ruth's Chris Steak House & the Hotel restaurants were too formal for my wife & I. We were there to "relax", not get dressed up to go to dinner.

What I hated was the Mall, when you used the Skywalk from the hotel, you wound up in the garage level, still having to go up another level before you hit the mall itself.

The Teens were annoying, do you really have to look like an idiot with your pants around your thighs & have to shout to your friends 2 feet away.

No mini fridges in the rooms: My wife & I got upgraded to a better room & there was not a mini fridge in the room. We were not happy about that at all, especially when the Westin is highly rated & Best Westerns have mini fridges.

[felyxz]

The hotel was my family's only complaint.

Ghost-Target, you are so right. My wife also said we get better service, a mini-fridge and a continental breakfast at Motel 8.

[Southzen]

4) That UPS guy

About that guy, apparently he would not accept UPS account numbers! I am going out on a limb and saying he like almost every other UPS provider/seller is a secondary market (UPS store, Unishippers, etc). That is right, UPS has become a franchised company much like McDs and Wendies.

[only1]

4) That UPS guy

About that guy, apparently he would not accept UPS account numbers! I am going out on a limb and saying he like almost every other UPS provider/seller is a secondary market (UPS store, Unishippers, etc). That is right, UPS has become a franchised company much like McDs and Wendies.

YEP... they started that on their own but when they bought out Mail Boxes Etc they blew up...

About hotels... (just because I used to work hotels)
1) key cards. since they are used so much and reprogramable, they also demagnetize very easily. Just being next to a cell phone or other magnetic strip cards (credit cards, club cards, etc etc etc) can erase the hotel card. Basically, keep it by itself and you shouldn't have problems. If it still gives you problems, ask for a NEW card... not a newly programmed, different card... but out of a new box. They shouldn't erase.

2) mini-fridges. These are huge power consumers and, especially now in the "save money" "conserve energy" times they don't come standard in rooms. They are, like most hotel items, available at request. If not, then I would question the hotel. Considering many people have medications that require refrigeration, hotels have to accomodate them in some way.

[Dune Echo]

In regards to the UPS guy, it was $35 to ship a single boxed con set to FL from RI. It was going to be $90 to $120 for the rest of my stuff to OH. Yeah, I wasn't happy.

[cmderinchief]

Yeah, I wasn't happy.

I warned ya dude!

[kingofpain26]

25th style construction will get "perfected" we'll have "amazing" waves of figures the "golden era" will have finally arrived, then hasbro will change construction style again book it.

Well aren't you a ray of sunshine! I really hope they don't do something like that though. I would hate to get these amazing poc figures and then be switched back to something as incredibly awful as o-rings. Yuck!

see, it means much more than that.

what the 25th fans don't realize that this also means there is little chance that we will ever see classic VEHICLES as well. Not to mention reused o-rings like the then and now sets.

...so it means that a new WHALE, SKYSTRIKER, or other classic vehicles is bupkis, unless we can convince Hasbro its worth the 5 -10 grand it would cost to retool.

it also means the club is now limited to the 25th parts that Hasbro ALLOWS them to use. They DON'T have free reign on the 25th style molds.

so Yes, next year's sets and exclusives will be 25th style, but who knows if its going to be a straight repaint like the 09 set, or there is room for the club to be clever with construction like the o-ring sets.

[pbarny]

25th style construction will get "perfected" we'll have "amazing" waves of figures the "golden era" will have finally arrived, then hasbro will change construction style again book it.

Well aren't you a ray of sunshine! I really hope they don't do something like that though. I would hate to get these amazing poc figures and then be switched back to something as incredibly awful as o-rings. Yuck!

see, it means much more than that.

what the 25th fans don't realize that this also means there is little chance that we will ever see classic VEHICLES as well. Not to mention reused o-rings like the then and now sets.

...so it means that a new WHALE, SKYSTRIKER, or other classic vehicles is bupkis, unless we can convince Hasbro its worth the 5 -10 grand it would cost to retool.

I realize that. I don't have $300 or more to pay for a toy (not that I will buy many more Joes ever again). So why bother asking for something that I can't afford or stores won't carry given their current retail models? Why keep something around that will just degrade further (the molds), be of no use and take away resources from new or (sic) repaints that could be made now? Want to hang a giant albatross on the line and kill it, go ahead, keep pushing for things that aren't any good for the long term health of the line.

[kingofpain26]

I realize that. I don't have $300 or more to pay for a toy (not that I will buy many more Joes ever again). So why bother asking for something that I can't afford or stores won't carry given their current retail models? Why keep something around that will just degrade further (the molds), be of no use and take away resources from new or (sic) repaints that could be made now? Want to hang a giant albatross on the line and kill it, go ahead, keep pushing for things that aren't any good for the long term health of the line.

because the Club.. is Bigger .. then.. YOU.

I didn't buy an 09 set... because I didn't like it. but the fact that the set sold well is proof that hundreds of people disagreed with me.

the same goes with the O-Ring. YOU don't like it, but 11 sets and thousands of people disagree with you.
plenty of 25th style figures still on the shelf.

however

if you don't plan to by figures ever again.. why does this matter in the first place?

[Ghost-Target]

2) mini-fridges. These are huge power consumers and, especially now in the "save money" "conserve energy" times they don't come standard in rooms. They are, like most hotel items, available at request. If not, then I would question the hotel. Considering many people have medications that require refrigeration, hotels have to accomodate them in some way.

But, there was a refrigerated mini bar in the room. I would have rather had the mini fridge than a mini bar w/ $4 sodas, $6 cookies...

[kingofpain26]

2) mini-fridges. These are huge power consumers and, especially now in the "save money" "conserve energy" times they don't come standard in rooms. They are, like most hotel items, available at request. If not, then I would question the hotel. Considering many people have medications that require refrigeration, hotels have to accomodate them in some way.

But, there was a refrigerated mini bar in the room. I would have rather had the mini fridge than a mini bar w/ $4 sodas, $6 cookies...

yeah, my room had the mini fridge, and free internet

[madmac41]

Some of the post have been removed due to suspected spamming.

[pbarny]

[quote="kingofpain26because the Club.. is Bigger .. then.. YOU.

I didn't buy an 09 set... because I didn't like it. but the fact that the set sold well is proof that hundreds of people disagreed with me.

the same goes with the O-Ring. YOU don't like it, but 11 sets and thousands of people disagree with you.
plenty of 25th style figures still on the shelf.

however

if you don't plan to by figures ever again.. why does this matter in the first place?[/quote]\

So the club has a right to keep metals molds that are falling apart and entering the environment killing who knows what and creating a potential long term disaster in terms of some contanimated water so some people can have o-ring figures instead of having them sold for scrap, melted down and used in new materials is acceptable? I think the other 6.5 billion or at least the couple hundreds of thousands who's water would be ruined outweigh the few thousand (if that) if you want to make it about numbers.

Having a super expensive vehicle/playset that no retailer will carry because it doesn't meet their criteria of shelf space occupied per time per profit margin is logical how? It's not like the larger stuff ever moved at regular price, so it was clearanced. Clearancing tends to signify retailers don't want this space occupied any more and are willing to take a loss (since Hasbro already got paid) and not deal with it anymore (or ever again).

So what I don't want any more figures, I can still see the obvious long term consequences of choices here and not let biases affect the analysis. Ask yourself are you able to see the logic and the beneifts in the end of o-rings and large vehicles and playsets or does it just make you upset and only upset?

[kingofpain26]

So the club has a right to keep metals molds that are falling apart and entering the environment killing who knows what and creating a potential long term disaster in terms of some contanimated water so some people can have o-ring figures instead of having them sold for scrap, melted down and used in new materials is acceptable? I think the other 6.5 billion or at least the couple hundreds of thousands who's water would be ruined outweigh the few thousand (if that) if you want to make it about numbers.

Having a super expensive vehicle/playset that no retailer will carry because it doesn't meet their criteria of shelf space occupied per time per profit margin is logical how? It's not like the larger stuff ever moved at regular price, so it was clearanced. Clearancing tends to signify retailers don't want this space occupied any more and are willing to take a loss (since Hasbro already got paid) and not deal with it anymore (or ever again).

So what I don't want any more figures, I can still see the obvious long term consequences of choices here and not let biases affect the analysis. Ask yourself are you able to see the logic and the beneifts in the end of o-rings and large vehicles and playsets or does it just make you upset and only upset?

....ok.. now that is just plain stupid...

considering that the 25th construction molds are made of the EXACT SAME STEEL as the o-ring ones.. hell we were told that the old molds were ACTUALLY MELTED DOWN TO MAKE NEW ONES...

(where the hell did you even get that info from...???!)

You obviously have no idea where and how the molds are stored, shipped, or what happens when they are destroyed. Let alone the SIZE, compesititon... or anything about them.

...and vehicles not being sold is the fault of the COLLECTORS being cheap and waiting for it to clear, instead of getting it at full price. it has nothing to do with retailers , or Hasbro (other than MSRP).

...so your entire statement is completely moot, totally out of left field, and beginning to sound more like whining that making a point....