Rate GIJoe: Resolute!

[Fridge]

Okay, I gotta say this...

For everyone questioning Zartan getting shot in the back, he was aiming a small missile launcher at a seemingly prone opponent in a combat situation.

He did take his eyes off of the other enemy insurgent, and was acting in a rather cocky manner. Realistically speaking, he was going to get shot.

Was Duke supposed to say "Freeze" or "Don't move"?

We aren't talking about cops, on patrol, at a convenience store stick up, with hostages. We are talking about soldiers in a firefight, in an enemy bunker, against terrorists.

If anything was irresponsible/over the line, it was the Gung Ho/Roadblock insertion, or Duke redirecting the pulse on Springfield, instead of in the middle of the ocean somewhere.

[Mongoose]

I guess it's not so much that Zartan was shot in the back, but of the fact that it was Zartan who was shot in the back. Make sense?

I don't think anyone is picking apart the reality of the situation. I know if I was in Duke's place I certainly wouldn't say anything (I can't help it if my enemy has their back turned to me). It's just that it seems grossly out of character for Zartan to get caught in was seems to be a "rookie" mistake. I could sooner see another 'Nok or Cobra getting caught like that, but not Zartan... unless he had some sort of vest or something like that to help him escape.

Then again... that goes to point of shooting someone in the head to make sure they stay down.

[Fridge]

I guess it's not so much that Zartan was shot in the back, but of the fact that it was Zartan who was shot in the back. Make sense?

I don't think anyone is picking apart the reality of the situation. I know if I was in Duke's place I certainly wouldn't say anything (I can't help it if my enemy has their back turned to me). It's just that it seems grossly out of character for Zartan to get caught in was seems to be a "rookie" mistake. I could sooner see another 'Nok or Cobra getting caught like that, but not Zartan... unless he had some sort of vest or something like that to help him escape.

Then again... that goes to point of shooting someone in the head to make sure they stay down.

That was not aimed at you directly, but there have been folks questioning Duke's honor, and his place as a role model in some of the Resolute threads, based on the shooting Zartan in the back thing.

Based on Zartan's behavior, he got what he deserved, as would anyone acting in such a foolish manner, as you are pointing out.

I chalk this up to another case of just rushed and poor writing.

I have a full synopsis written down over little things like this, and it is the reason why I can only, at best give Resolute a 2&1/2. It is pretty, but utterly lacks substance. Every time you think they are going somewhere/building up to something, they leave you hanging.

[Dusty Ayers]

Zartan completely had the drop on Scarlett. He was one trigger pull away from killing her. Duke had a split second to take out a obvious threat. I would have dry gulched ol'Zartan in a heartbeat.

[SNAKE_EYES1975]

Zartan completely had the drop on Scarlett. He was one trigger pull away from killing her. Duke had a split second to take out a obvious threat. I would have dry gulched ol'Zartan in a heartbeat.

Nice summary. Agreed.

Still the best animated Joe ever...

[darth cujo]

It was just okay. Defintely some fun aspects. The story was weak and the end was predictable. The deaths seemed fairly pointless. To me it just felt like the old sunbow toon with more violence, hence it was just okay. Definately could have been better.

[Mongoose]

That was not aimed at you directly, but there have been folks questioning Duke's honor, and his place as a role model in some of the Resolute threads, based on the shooting Zartan in the back thing.

Based on Zartan's behavior, he got what he deserved, as would anyone acting in such a foolish manner, as you are pointing out.

I never thought you aimed that comment to me directly, and I don't see why people should question Duke's honor in the set up. To quote Dusty:

Zartan completely had the drop on Scarlett. He was one trigger pull away from killing her. Duke had a split second to take out a obvious threat. I would have dry gulched ol'Zartan in a heartbeat.

I would have shot Zartan in the back too (actually the head--like I said...make sure they stay down).


But I agree, it's just something resulting from "rushed and poor writing."

[Werecat]

Was Duke supposed to say "Freeze" or "Don't move"?

We aren't talking about cops, on patrol, at a convenience store stick up, with hostages.

I agree.

However, I just wanted to clarify this a bit more. Cops don't have to say "freeze" or "drop the gun" either. In the police Disturbance Resolution Model, our Intervention Options are divided up into five categories:

A. Presence
B. Dialog
C. Control Alternatives
D. Protective Alternatives
E. Deadly Force

Dialog is the second stage and is below deadly force, so we generally issue commands to stop a hostile suspect. (Both to give him or her a chance to surrender, and as a liability issue.)

However, if a suspect has a weapon drawn, we are automatically at Stage E: Deadly Force. Deadly Force bypasses all else. If you feel verbal communication will give your position away, or will allow the suspect to react, you are fully authorized to shoot first. That's why cops are granted Discretion under state and federal law.

We can also shoot armed suspects in the back; and without warning, if we feel that suspect is an imminent threat to ourselves or others, or we feel there is a high probability that the suspect will use deadly force if allowed to flee or escape.

An unfortunate side effect of TV and movies have given society a false impression of the “cans” and “cannots” of what police can do, and that often comes into play when someone sees the police doing something the erroneous mass media has told them they can’t do, but in reality the law says they can.

[SNAKE_EYES1975]

Was Duke supposed to say "Freeze" or "Don't move"?

We aren't talking about cops, on patrol, at a convenience store stick up, with hostages.

I agree.

However, I just wanted to clarify this a bit more. Cops don't have to say "freeze" or "drop the gun" either. In the police Disturbance Resolution Model, our Intervention Options are divided up into five categories:

A. Presence
B. Dialog
C. Control Alternatives
D. Protective Alternatives
E. Deadly Force

Dialog is the second stage and is below deadly force, so we generally issue commands to stop a hostile suspect. (Both to give him or her a chance to surrender, and as a liability issue.)

However, if a suspect has a weapon drawn, we are automatically at Stage E: Deadly Force. Deadly Force bypasses all else. If you feel verbal communication will give your position away, or will allow the suspect to react, you are fully authorized to shoot first. That's why cops are granted Discretion under state and federal law.

We can also shoot armed suspects in the back; and without warning, if we feel that suspect is an imminent threat to ourselves or others, or we feel there is a high probability that the suspect will use deadly force if allowed to flee or escape.

An unfortunate side effect of TV and movies have given society a false impression of the “cans” and “cannots” of what police can do, and that often comes into play when someone sees the police doing something the erroneous mass media has told them they can’t do, but in reality the law says they can.

You are 100% right on. Took my CCW class last year, and the instructor was a cop, That Instructed Cops. He spent ALOT of time on this, and I was VERY suprised to find out how some of this works. Now when I see some stuff on TV, I just chuckle,or cringe..

[SNAKE_EYES1975]

I agree with pbarny 100%. Its not like they couldn't figure out some reason for STorm Shadow fighting Snake Eyes. Just have Storm Shadow say, "This is CObra's final action, and I wanted to kill you personally!" Boom. Sold.

I also agree with Snake_Eyes1975 100%. Ninjas have had a solid standing in the Joeverse for decades. The important thing to remeber is that G.I. Joe is part military action, part futuristic science fiction, and part kung fu fantasy. Something for everyone!

Well put. I may not be a ninja fan but it has to be there. Too much and I lose interest. One of the main reasons I stopped collecting joes and joe comics was when they came out with the "starring ninja force" tagline. G.I. Joe is a fantastic property that blends enough realism in with ninja's and lasers and actually pulls it off enough to satisfy the the sci-fi dudes and the realists. I don't know of any other property that has ever remotely done it as well as Joe. Like I said, I am not a huge fan of ninja's but I also don't want "24" with people named Duke and Scarlett instead of Jack Bauer.

Right on. Now dont get me wrong..Im NOT a ninja fan boy.. But like I said, Its a great way to explain the "superhuman abilitys" these things that SS/ST and all the other jumpin' flippin cats have, to have some reason. Personally when I watch resolute again, I fast forward thru the training part. But it was still a great take on the SS/SE bit.
They arent superhuman...they are Ninjas..easy for me.
The ninja force runs in Marvel are some of my Least favs. But its still just goes to show that the makers of Resolute, Grew up with tha same joe mythology that all us fans did. Instead of throwing it all out...its just great..Being a die hard ARAH fan I associate with them. Cant say the same about the movie.

[Dusty Ayers]

That was not aimed at you directly, but there have been folks questioning Duke's honor, and his place as a role model in some of the Resolute threads, based on the shooting Zartan in the back thing.

Based on Zartan's behavior, he got what he deserved, as would anyone acting in such a foolish manner, as you are pointing out.

I never thought you aimed that comment to me directly, and I don't see why people should question Duke's honor in the set up. To quote Dusty:

Zartan completely had the drop on Scarlett. He was one trigger pull away from killing her. Duke had a split second to take out a obvious threat. I would have dry gulched ol'Zartan in a heartbeat.

I would have shot Zartan in the back too (actually the head--like I said...make sure they stay down).


But I agree, it's just something resulting from "rushed and poor writing."

To be honest I felt a little twinge of WTF when Duke shot Zartan in the back but when I thought about it there was no other option for him. I think of Duke as a very honorable character but he was faced with a very short time period in which to save a team members life. It may not be "sporting" but he made the right decision. There was a threat and he removed it. I think in a situation like that only the results count. That is definitely something that would not have happened in the old toon. I think it fits with the Resolute style though.

[EagleEyeJoe]

I totally agree with the points made.

When Duke took down Zartan I was shocked for an instant.. and I think that was the point. Cobra had upped the game, and Duke called with that shot.

Scarlett had just given Zartan a chance to walk away.. and Zartan chose not to. Instead, he gave the viewer the perfect reason for Duke to pull that trigger. He admitted it wasn't even the money anymore. He just enjoyed killing.

With millions dead in Moscow, the fate of billions on the line and his team mate's life under the gun.. Duke did what the character always has come down to : he did the job.

[Chainsaw Viper]

I really like how they handled Scarlett here.

of course maybe it's just me but whenever they comics tend to put Scarlett and Snake Eyes together it just always feels like she ends up being Snake Eyes's emotional doormat, with Duke, she seems more action oriented and competent.

I also really liked how ruthless Cobra Commander was here, although I kinda wished there would have actually been some big fight with him at the end.

Anyway, aside from Snake Eyes and Stormshadow completely derailing the plot for a few episodes, this seemed really great. I wouldn't go so far as to say that it was the best Joe story ever, but it worked as a good darker version of the old cartoon.

[Kitchen Viper]

I gave it four stars.

-I didn't buy the Duke-Scarlett relationship. I'm sorry, If you make changes, they better be improvements. Yeah, I guess they were an item on the Sunbow Cartoon, but I'm a comics guy.

-I did like the way Duke was written tho.

- I liked the ninja stuff OK, but would rather wave something that tied back to the main plotline; dramatically, it felt like a distraction.

-Cobra Commander was handled really well, but I thought the rest of the Cobras were rather one dimensional, especially Storm Shadow...

-I didn't like Destro and Baroness in matching outfits.

I know it sounds like I'm knocking the thing, but honestly, besides those problems, I liked it quite a bit. I loved Roadblock, didn't mind Girl-Tone, and loved the animation.